Holland | Full Rate or lock the gate

We’re are biggest enemy but those are the main ones to complain about the Union.

The biggest enemy is Hoffa, and every Hoffa supporter from the local level on up. Until they're voted out and gone, this is what you will get. But yes, until the membership votes....it is what it is.

It's too late now though, Teamsters are the bottom feeder joke. Hard to hear but true.
 
How long are YRCW Teamsters going to put up with being paid 10 to 15 cents less per mile, and 5 or more dollars less per hour than our non union brothers.

I'll tell you how long....forever. It's too late now, it's already done. We will never make it up. Shut the ****ing place down. And burn down the international on our way out for letting it happen and being complicit in the scam.
 
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The next offer for YRCW is gonna be, 8 tenths of a cent per mile per year, .35 cents per hour per year, and they will turn the trucks up to 65.
People will say that offer will go through when pigs fly. The yellow pig is flying already.
 
I wish I could say I was surprised but, look at the vote turnout for the international president.....sad sad sad
Doesn't matter who votes for Intl president. It's hoffas to keep until he retires. Then his hand picked successor gets it. Yrcw (and Arkansaw bull frog) see hoffa as a gift from God.
 
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Do you think I'm happy about the pay cut and the raise?Do you think I'm happy about a failed pension?
The only answer for the pension is to get companies to contribute more until they can't compete.Hell,at full pension contributions we would all get over $15,000 a year contributed on our behalf and all it would do is kick the can down the road a few more years for those already retired.

As far as Welch goes that was 4 years ago .Is it right..hell no,but I'm not the lender compensating him to keep him.

Yes,I'm demanding a decent raise,the problem with your slogan is that it will without a doubt lock the gates.
Does anyone in their right mind think they will find lenders or investors knowing they are going to have to payout an additional 300 million in salaries??Come on man..If your goal is to shut the gates you have every right to vote your convictions..Im to the point I don't care.It sounds like many think we will be better off at a non union line.I prefer not to be.
I thinking praying the pay will return. Leadership would start political ******* if they didn’t bring it back. Sticking point is the pension and I don’t know how that will workout.
 
I thinking praying the pay will return. Leadership would start political ******* if they didn’t bring it back. Sticking point is the pension and I don’t know how that will workout.
Praying the pay will return??? God Bless You.... it ain't gonna happen.

YRCW will never bring you up to non union scale. You will pay to work at YRCW. And the Teamsters will go along.
 
Anybody know the numbers, does YRC have about twice as many drivers as Holland? Thank God we don't have a Canadian Division that we have to wait for them to screw things up at the end!
 
Anybody know the numbers, does YRC have about twice as many drivers as Holland? Thank God we don't have a Canadian Division that we have to wait for them to screw things up at the end!

I think you're referring to the big election results. The turnout in that election was pathetic amongst members at YRCW/Holland, and U.S. Teamsters in general.
We can't blame Canada for Holland being screwed up. That's all on us.
 
Maybe need the old man's tough way of negotiating for 2019 ?
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I am going to say this and it will not be popular, but many of you guys already know this deep down.

The Union really does not have that much leverage come contract time anymore. It is all grand and boisterous to state full rate or lock the gate, but in reality that’s exactly a huge possibility.

The Union for the most part is dependent on YRC/Holland/New Penn in the freight division, they are the Last of the big’s And they will do what is necessary to keep that revenue coming in.

Not to long ago our BA let it slip that we would not be allowed to strike when we brought up why we are still paying extra towards the strike fund. In reality IF a strike occurred it would spell the death nail to the company.

Companies are already dissatisfied with the service that these companies have offered over the last few years, many shippers have already moved on to other carriers and not to long ago I remember seeing on BOL’s “do not ship on YRC or YRC companies”. The reputation for this place has been tarnished hopefully not beyond repair, but darn close. And no I don’t blame the rank and file because we have had to endure so much waste and confusion by those in charge. The rolling stock even with some of the infusion of newer units looks like a junkyard on wheels. YRC still is driving around Roadway tractors pulling Yellow trailers. Where XPO redid all of their units, yes deep pockets, but with employee givebacks for 9 years you had some cash flow don’t deny it. It goes a long way to looking professional or in this case looking like a company hanging on by a thread.

Again the Unions do not have the same leverage as days gone by. They know it, and deep down so do the membership. The ABF and UPS contracts will be a bellwether, but YRC/Holland is a whole nother animal.

We have all gone over the scenarios on TB and in the break rooms many times. Don’t think for a moment that they will not close the doors and sell off and reopen non union under a different name. It’s not the 1960’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s or even early 00’s anymore. The non’s have been out there for years spreading the doom of this place with customers. They have had salesman directly tell customers we are folding, Fed Ex in particular.

I do believe the Union will make a deal if they have not done so already. The consessions to members will be small but just enough to swallow to keep the ball rolling. The telling time will be after 19’, can and will this place turn it around truly, not just spurts as we see happening and then the eventual reverting and falling back. I mean truly turning it around and being the leaders in the industry once again. Sadly this is not the case anylonger and that’s the real reality of it! But if they do not post 19’ then yes gentlemen the days are truly numbered and the gates will be closed and Holland/YRC will go the route of CF.

Never ever say or believe “we are to big to fail” I hear it all the time, but the bigger you are the harder you fall.
 
As I read these replies, I am astonished that some of the members of the YRCW companies have already given up before negotiations have even started. This is the best time in the last 30 plus years to get a good contract. Now do I think we will get all our pay and benefits back, but we can certainly try. With the shortage of truck drivers we have the advantage. We must not let the management have free Raynes on their pay and bonuses anymore. Remember we have given the company back over 4 billion dollars to pay off a 1.3 billion dollar debt approximately.They must be held accountable with know bonuses being paid out unless the employees get compensated first. We must hold our Union accountable and if they don't then we can fire them by with drawing our Union dues in the right to work states. Cut their revenue source unless they bargain in good faith. Remember, the freight will have to go somewhere and they will need drivers. if you have a good driving record, you should be in good shape. To end, I will say that all the Union carriers that went out of business, were mostly due to bad management and failing to change direction as some of the other union carriers did. That's my opinion.
 
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