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Management at fxf took a 10%haircut. I as a driver didn't have a pay cut. The 401k match was frozen for a bit but that was restored quickly.
 
Real Teamster said:
Apparently you didn't work for them in 2008-2009. There was a LOT of pay reduction going on.
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YES I was working then for the -15% and Reread it , I said none of my "Non-Union " jobs in the passed ever cut my wages or took -15% step child support from me . Only my passed "Union" job cut my pay scale by -15% !
 
Real Teamster said:
Breeze, this is kind of like saying you don't want to go to jail. When they're holding a "gun to your head", that's known as persuasion.
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Sorry, I don't buy that "gun to your head" BS. Everyone had a choice - refuse to accept the pay cuts (which were required by the investment banks in order for them to refinance the debt payment coming due) and see Yellow default on their debt or accept the pay cuts to keep Yellow in business and allow disgruntled employees time to find other employment while still having a good paying job with benefits. Anyone who doesn't see that needs more than new glasses.
 
Triplex said:
Sorry, I don't buy that "gun to your head" BS. Everyone had a choice - refuse to accept the pay cuts (which were required by the investment banks in order for them to refinance the debt payment coming due) and see Yellow default on their debt or accept the pay cuts to keep Yellow in business and allow disgruntled employees time to find other employment while still having a good paying job with benefits. Anyone who doesn't see that needs more than new glasses.
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PIE's was voluntary, I accepted it, made good money, and didn't chain up one time on my Fla run.
We had some who wouldn't accept it and made more money.
If enough had not accepted, who knows if we would have worked another year?
 
seabreeze said:
PIE's was voluntary, I accepted it, made good money, and didn't chain up one time on my Fla run.
We had some who wouldn't accept it and made more money.
If enough had not accepted, who knows if we would have worked another year?
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Breeze, I didn't accept it at PIE and there were also a few others. Kinzy Reeves paid our terminal a visit to try and persuade us to give back. It didn't work. As soon as I got the chance to go to Roadway I left. Little did I know what would happen years later. Oh yea and thank God you didn't have to chain up in "The Free State Of Floridia".:lmao:
 
ROADY said:
Breeze, I didn't accept it at PIE and there were also a few others. Kinzy Reeves paid our terminal a visit to try and persuade us to give back. It didn't work. As soon as I got the chance to go to Roadway I left. Little did I know what would happen years later. Oh yea and thank God you didn't have to chain up in "The Free State Of Floridia".:lmao:
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I had a bad feeling they were not going to be around much longer.
I was one of the lucky ones, I already had my 30 yrs in.
I was going to work a few more years but Mama talked me out of that.
Starting on the bottom and running the North End was just too much for a South End boy.
We also had a good many who didn't take the pay cut.
 
Triplex said:
Sorry, I don't buy that "gun to your head" BS. Everyone had a choice - refuse to accept the pay cuts (which were required by the investment banks in order for them to refinance the debt payment coming due) and see Yellow default on their debt or accept the pay cuts to keep Yellow in business and allow disgruntled employees time to find other employment while still having a good paying job with benefits. Anyone who doesn't see that needs more than new glasses.
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Did it fix their problem?
 
ROLLBACK said:
Did it fix their problem?
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Let's see, I'll pretend that's a serious question and that you're not just being a clown. Yes, it did fix their problem for quite a few years. That gave workers there plenty of time to look for a better job while still being employed and earning a good living. Any fool can see that it's much better to be looking for a new job while still employed than to be looking for a job while being out of work. Workers there were free to leave for something better or to stay if they chose to do so. No one was forced to stay or go, personal choice either way. You got a problem with that?
 
Triplex said:
Let's see, I'll pretend that's a serious question and that you're not just being a clown. Yes, it did fix their problem for quite a few years. That gave workers there plenty of time to look for a better job while still being employed and earning a good living. Any fool can see that it's much better to be looking for a new job while still employed than to be looking for a job while being out of work. Workers there were free to leave for something better or to stay if they chose to do so. No one was forced to stay or go, personal choice either way. You got a problem with that?
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I don’t recall the saying the givebacks was for any of those purposes. The same job a worker obtained when they closed in 2023 was available in 2008.
 
Triplex said:
Let's see, I'll pretend that's a serious question and that you're not just being a clown. Yes, it did fix their problem for quite a few years. That gave workers there plenty of time to look for a better job while still being employed and earning a good living. Any fool can see that it's much better to be looking for a new job while still employed than to be looking for a job while being out of work. Workers there were free to leave for something better or to stay if they chose to do so. No one was forced to stay or go, personal choice either way. You got a problem with that?
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Tri what you say is accurate in a sense. The biggest problem with Yellow, YRC, Yrcw, or One Yellow whatever they called themselves at the time. They asked for concessions multiple times and the members helped them out. Remember the break reduction from 15 minutes to 10, that was just a ARRANGEMENT statement to show there distaste from there employees, only to later see millions of bonus’s given out. We never physically gave them money as most people think. We allowed them to reduce their cost to continue to operate and return to profitability. Unfortunately the corporate stupidity and as I have said a hundred times the ARROGANCE of upper management did not make the necessary adjustments and become more efficient to capitalize on the situation they were given. Way too many times of trying to reinvent the wheel. The concessions were like a consumer debt consolidation program, if you don’t correct your bad spending habits and fiscal responsibility you’re right back where you started.
So when he said “ did it fix their problem “
The answer was no.
Remember definition of insanity.
“ Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results “
Two sides to every coin.
Half full, half empty glass.
The picture worth a thousand words.
In Yellow’s case a thousand mistakes.
 
dokman said:
Tri what you say is accurate in a sense. The biggest problem with Yellow, YRC, Yrcw, or One Yellow whatever they called themselves at the time. They asked for concessions multiple times and the members helped them out. Remember the break reduction from 15 minutes to 10, that was just a ARRANGEMENT statement to show there distaste from there employees, only to later see millions of bonus’s given out. We never physically gave them money as most people think. We allowed them to reduce their cost to continue to operate and return to profitability. Unfortunately the corporate stupidity and as I have said a hundred times the ARROGANCE of upper management did not make the necessary adjustments and become more efficient to capitalize on the situation they were given. Way too many times of trying to reinvent the wheel. The concessions were like a consumer debt consolidation program, if you don’t correct your bad spending habits and fiscal responsibility you’re right back where you started.
So when he said “ did it fix their problem “
The answer was no.
Remember definition of insanity.
“ Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results “
Two sides to every coin.
Half full, half empty glass.
The picture worth a thousand words.
In Yellow’s case a thousand mistakes.
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Dokman, I don't dispute anything you say here. When I said earlier that the givebacks "did fix their problem for quite a few years" I wasn't referring to their operational problems, I was referring to the problem of them defaulting on their loan and very likely having to file Ch.11 and shutting down back then, their "survival problem" so to speak. As I've stated, from the standpoint of the employees, it seems to me it was better to keep them in business and thereby give any unhappy employee time to find a new/better job while still having a job. For me anyway, I would much prefer to look for a new job while still employed and earning a living as opposed to being out of work and unemployed.
 
Triplex said:
Dokman, I don't dispute anything you say here. When I said earlier that the givebacks "did fix their problem for quite a few years" I wasn't referring to their operational problems, I was referring to the problem of them defaulting on their loan and very likely having to file Ch.11 and shutting down back then, their "survival problem" so to speak. As I've stated, from the standpoint of the employees, it seems to me it was better to keep them in business and thereby give any unhappy employee time to find a new/better job while still having a job. For me anyway, I would much prefer to look for a new job while still employed and earning a living as opposed to being out of work and unemployed.
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True. Just an observation on my thoughts.
Yellow’s miss management has put thousands of good people in bad situations. Mathematically everyone’s situation was different, age, years of service, years on 2% then 1% accrual , health, family situation at home etc. Unfortunately when one does retire they will still be giving concessions in the form of reduced pension payments. I wish the different plans would ease the reemployment restrictions for YRC retirees to give them a chance to supplement the reduction in pensions payments.
Just my 2 cents worth - 15 %.
 
Rounding3rd said:
And some people were able to hang on till retirement and didn't have to look for another job at all
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Exactly. My feeling all along was that keeping them in business even with the concessions at least gave the employees the choice in the matter - stay and accept the concessions if that was the better option for the individual or have the time to find something better while still having a decent paying job.
 
dokman said:
True. Just an observation on my thoughts.
Yellow’s miss management has put thousands of good people in bad situations. Mathematically everyone’s situation was different, age, years of service, years on 2% then 1% accrual , health, family situation at home etc. Unfortunately when one does retire they will still be giving concessions in the form of reduced pension payments. I wish the different plans would ease the reemployment restrictions for YRC retirees to give them a chance to supplement the reduction in pensions payments.
Just my 2 cents worth - 15 %.
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Yellow's mismanagement killed people I know a few who couldn't afford COBRA payments no meds or surgery. Worst part was the former Yellow members forced to go to the free Cook County Stroger Hospital right across the street from Teamster City. Billions in these Health and Welfare Funds Sean O'Brien couldn't do anything for them.
 
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