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]we need to have company seniority across the board in our next contract. bids, vacations layoffs everything should go by company seniorty!
 
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]we need to have company seniority across the board in our next contract. bids, vacations layoffs everything should go by company seniorty!
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Using company seniority, true company seniority not transfer date seniority, would be fine. If not true actual seniority I'll never vote for it. Besides why would a low seniority man vote for one board? He'd just be screwing himself.
 
We talked about it here. Most of us were against it. Some of the senior guys were like yeah thats cool. But us lower guys were like screw that. It prob would have gone 80-20 not in favor..
 
I am sure the Co wouldn't want it either. This way it prevents people from jumping around. Since the city operation is a priority it helps keep consitient drivers in front of the customer.
 
Gee what the hay,everyone at the top of the seniority list, once upon a time started at the bottom of the pile.
Nobody ever starts at the top,unless the terminal location is brand new,and everyone started at the same time.
Then there is someone who winds up first with someone last,but other than that.
Top folks have to start somewhere farther down the food chain,and work their way up.
 
I agree (APOSTOLIC) when I started 23yrs. ago I was on the bottom....come in on Mon. morning and sit at home until Wed. or Thur. evening then work through the weekend, back in the day that was what we called (PAYING YOUR DUES) now out of a roadboard of 350 I am 65. But it seems like the (Younger Generation) coming aboard these days want (SUPER SENORITY) and want their cake and eat it to!! Just my opinion~ have a great weekend. :)
 
I know this is right from my 45 years experience working LTL.
I started at the bottom for Halls Motor transit who were the original builders of the UPS Freight Mechanicsburg hub.
It took a lot of years with some drivers quitting and others retiring that I worked myself up to number 2 on the city board.
Unfortunately they went bankrupt in 1986 when I was working in my 18th year by then.
I bounced around as a casual with 13 different union LTL's in my town,then took a withdrawal from the Teamsters and hired on with Overnite who also had bought the Rochester Hall's terminal.
Then it was the same climb to the number 2 spot on the city board,and in fact number 2 over all on all the boards.
I retired after just over 22 years working on the city board.
So I have been in both camps,at the bottom,and close enough to the top to get a break.
 
Good for you, I live in Hagerstown but work out of Carlisle. I knew some guys that worked out of our barn that worked at (HALLS) and some guys that worked out of the Hagerstown terminal as well.
 
I can still remember that dreaded phone call on a Sunday afternoon,in March of 1986.
Mind you I worked overtime on the Friday before that weekend.
Now here is my Hall's terminal manger telling me not to bother coming into work in the morning,that Halls had closed the company midnight Saturday.
Talk about a shock,I said you have got to be kidding me.
He says sorry I'm not kidding it is over.

So there I was with nearly 18 years,4 weeks paid vacation number 2 on the city list with a union LTL,to start over,with everyone else that was out of work.

Thank God Overnite bought the old Halls terminal,to start their Rochester operation,and I was able to hire on with them.
The Rochester terminal start up date was the 1st of May 1986,and I started at the bottom of the heap, July 31st 1986.
Working the city till I retired March 31st 2008.

Sad to say it was only a few years when I had lost track of everyone I worked with at Halls.
 
lumberdano said:
]we need to have company seniority across the board in our next contract. bids, vacations layoffs everything should go by company seniorty!
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Becareful what you wish for.This could become a slippery slope.
I could see this as the start of eliminating classifications all togeather. YRC started down this road with the introduction of the "utility driver". Classifications are one of the strengths of the union.
 
good luck with that dano. there would be greivence's flying from every direction if it went to that . so you think if some a-hole decides to transfer because the grass is greener at another barn he should be able to bump guys that have been at that barn longer? yeah because thats fair! really? we went through these growing paines already at our barn..and after alot of arguments..and backpay it was settled as it states in the contract...TRANSFER DATE IS NEW SENORITY DATE. you dont like it...dont transfer. there is always barber collage or you can sell your soul and go into managment. im sick and tired of selfish tools like you. why dont we focus on more important things in next contract like better health bennies or tying up loop holes where managment cant layoff our boys and use jippo contracters or better retirement...etc. keep your eye on the prize for the future
 
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good luck with that dano. there would be greivence's flying from every direction if it went to that . so you think if some a-hole decides to transfer because the grass is greener at another barn he should be able to bump guys that have been at that barn longer? yeah because thats fair! really? we went through these growing paines already at our barn..and after alot of arguments..and backpay it was settled as it states in the contract...TRANSFER DATE IS NEW SENORITY DATE. you dont like it...dont transfer. there is always barber collage or you can sell your soul and go into managment. im sick and tired of selfish tools like you. why dont we focus on more important things in next contract like better health bennies or tying up loop holes where managment cant layoff our boys and use jippo contracters or better retirement...etc. keep your eye on the prize for the future
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This "selfish fool" just wants what was told would be the rules when I transferred 20 yrs ago, 17yrs before any contract was even thought about. If I had been pyschic and could have seen the future maybe I wouldn't have transferred, but I guess the "hollowed past practices rule' means nothing. Ifyou transferred before we were union tranfer date should mean nothing.
 
johny lunchmeat said:
good luck with that dano. there would be greivence's flying from every direction if it went to that . so you think if some a-hole decides to transfer because the grass is greener at another barn he should be able to bump guys that have been at that barn longer? yeah because thats fair! really? we went through these growing paines already at our barn..and after alot of arguments..and backpay it was settled as it states in the contract...TRANSFER DATE IS NEW SENORITY DATE. you dont like it...dont transfer. there is always barber collage or you can sell your soul and go into managment. im sick and tired of selfish tools like you. why dont we focus on more important things in next contract like better health bennies or tying up loop holes where managment cant layoff our boys and use jippo contracters or better retirement...etc. keep your eye on the prize for the future
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Why does a fellow employee doing the same job as you become an a-hole just because he or she took advantage of an opprotunity offered by the companyto transfer. If you made a voluntary transfer, you went to the bottom of your classification seniority. The only thing your company seniority did was let you bid vacation by it. Company seniority is company seniority no matter how many terminals you've worked at. But if I'm an A-hole, then judging by your post I'm not the only one working here!!
 
I talking about terminal seniority. If you transfer you should only be able to use your seniority for vacation or layoff. It just makes sense.
 
unfortunetly some people feel they should be able to transfer and bump the natives for everything...bids layoff etc. thats a very sore topic at my barn. vacation is one thing but when it comes to a layoff i dont think its right for someone who transfers willingly to a new terminal be able to do that. if thats allowed it will cause termoil throughout the system and cause a bitter work enviorment. so when it gets slow guys see this transferee bumping people who have always been at their barn? that aint right! the contract has that rule in there for a reason. i guess some people wont understand till it happens to them..till someone farts in their cereal.
 
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