Sometimes, when you're walking down the street, you walk up to a big pile of dog ::::. It looks like dog ::
And, what are we really saying here? Are you saying it's acceptable for guys to agree to have your back and lull you into a false sense of security. Now, you're counting on the support they agreed to and you put your balls on the line, only to find out that the support you were promised was sold to the higher bidder. That's not how it should be. Follow the logic. If it happened as you suggested, then these guys could be called liars as well.
Keep your shorts on boys. I am not calling them liars. But, if as Gene suggested, they said they would vote yes and then, voted no; how would you characterize that?
Impossible.You would do fine. The wages make up for it.
You care about you too, Hollywoodz. We're human and it's in our nature to do what we believe is in our own best interest. You believe a labor union serves your best self interest and Gene believes a union-free work environment best serves his, it's really no more complicated then that. This is why I called you out earlier for branding "no" voters as sellouts. What's the good of being able to vote one's conscience if they have to worry about being accused of being a sellout? You think you're organizing for some greater cause, you're not. You think because someone supports a union that it translates into placing the self interest of others in parity with yours, it doesn't. You believe in the tired moniker of "one for all and all for one." This saying is nothing more than a platitude that makes union people feel some false sense of solidarity, it's mind f@#k gobledeegoop is what it is. And it's why I will change jobs before I ever vote in the affirmative for certification.
Well at my barn we got a $1.39 raise. Are we sellout? There was no union vote at my place.
Without a vote, there was nothing to sell out. Obviously...NOT a sellout!
He does not believe in one right to vote that best suits them. He only believes in vote that goes his way. They thought this was a lock and believe that the pay increases that were announced on Monday was to buy votes. Funny part is they will get the increase no matter how they voted. Some barns like mine got a high rate increase then XRN. Is the company buying our vote???? Some of us on here have the respect for how one votes even though we disagree with them. we know that they voted for their own best interest and no one else's even though some will say it is for the greater good.
but because what some told you and what there action was when it was their turn to close the curtain and cast their vote, not your vote or anyone else's, their vote, you call them out as sellouts. You just proved that anyone that has voted NO in any of these election are sellouts. What was the vote count at your place? How many sellouts do you haver at you barn? Just how low will you go.
So do you believe that the vote turn out the way it did because of the raise? Was it just that drivers feed the union a lie on there position? Will we really know what was going through one head when that curtain closed?
Here's my question to you Gene, would you quit if your barn voted the union in? You do a lot of speaking for other people, would you throw your 20+ years away? You have no problem telling other's to leave for a union company if they don't like it....
This is my take on each and not necessarily other union members opinions.
Yes I do.
To answer your post, it all depends if the terminal is a break & what part of the county it is. ABF has a very low turnover rate, that could also add to the prolonged advance into the city. Fed ex also has a city & a road board meaning if you have 20 years with them & choose the road a new hire can start immediately ahead of the 20 year man in the city. Im at ABF and in the central pa teamsters fund & they contribute the same into my pension as ups parcel about 23k a year along with zero pay healthcare. As for the nmfa they would use that to get you started if you choose to go union....
